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VP of Sales Success Comes Down to These Two Levers

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I’ve had a blast watching our VP of Sales grow revenue faster than any SaaS company I know.

Unfortunately, his results aren’t typical.

Here’s what most VPs of Sales are in for:

VP Sales Tenure

If this is your first crack at the VP of Sales job, bullseye is on your back.

Fortunately, generating more revenue is simple. (Notice, I didn’t say easy.)

It can be deconstructed into two levers:

  1. More sales conversations
  2. Better sales conversations

Ultimately, everything you do comes down to pulling those two levers.

But making that happen can be complex.

The best way to simplify it is by deconstructing these levers into their component parts.

That’s how you create a predictable revenue engine.

Let’s give it a try.

VP of Sales Lever #1: More Sales Conversations

In the quantity + quality equation, I urge you to start with quality.

Here’s why:

If you accelerate quantity ( moreconversations) without taking care of quality (better conversations), all you are doing is accelerating the rate at which you waste your “at bats.”

But for the sake of this post, we’ll start with quantity, since knowing your numbers up front will give you greater context for the rest of the approach.

Here we go.

The idea here isn’t to launch a brute force frenzy of activity.

It’s to understand the metrics that make up your revenue machine so you can back into your number.

Each rep should know the following numbers by heart:

Revenue Number

This is your (obvious) starting point.

Clarify your goal so you can reverse engineer the metrics.

What’s your goal for the quarter or the year?

Let’s say it’s $150k per quarter, per rep.

Average Deal Size

Knowing your average deal size tells you how many deals you need to make your number.

I’m shocked by how many reps don’t know their own average deal size.

Following along with the example…

Let’s say your average deal size is $18,750, you need eight deals per quarter, per rep to make your number.

Again, each rep should know their own stats.

The difference between being a sales professional vs. just a sales rep is knowing these metrics so you can back into your number.

Close Rate

Knowing your close rate tells you how many qualified opportunities you need to make your number, given your quota and average deal size.

A 20% close rate means you need 40 qualified opportunities to enter your pipeline (if we’re still using the same example as above), since 40 * 20% = 8 closed deals.

Each of those opportunities must be generated early enough so they can be closed within the quarter in question.

In other words, if you have a 90-day sales cycle and you’re already two weeks into the quarter, new opportunities will only help your numbers in the next quarter.

Marketing-Sourced vs. Sales-Sourced Pipeline

Now that you know your numbers, including the required 40 opportunities, get your forecast from demand generation.

How many of those 40 qualified opportunities can you expect from marketing?

Is it 30 per rep, per quarter?

Once you have that number, you can figure out exactly how many opportunities each rep needs to source on their own.

Knowing these numbers is a much more intelligent way to approach the quantity game.

Now you can dial up the volume (more conversations) in a more strategic manner.

And as I stressed earlier, each rep should know his or her individual numbers.

It will vary per rep.

The true pros know how many hours worth of prospecting it takes them to generate one opportunity.

It helps them prioritize their time and plan their days.

And your job of course as the sales leader is to know these numbers in aggregate.

Let’s take a quick breather.

If only the VP Sales job were this easy, right?

If only knowing your numbers and executing the right volume of activity would automatically enable you to back into these numbers.

But reality isn’t so smooth.

Doubling your activity rarely doubles your revenue.

That’s why the quality game — though tougher to measure —- is where all your leverage lies.

VP of Sales Lever #2: Better Sales Conversations

Now you know the metrics that run your engine.

The next step is to funnel demand into a rhythmic sales process that every rep is equipped to execute effectively.

Map the Sales Process

Since sales conversations are the most pivotal elements of the sales process, the most important part of getting this step right is mapping out the types of conversations that happen throughout your sales process.

Your map might look something like this:

Sales Process Map

While this example is good food for thought, every sales team has their own unique sales conversations.

You’ve got to identify these and understand the nuances of each one.

Off-the-shelf generalizations will not cut it here.

Help Reps Understand What “Good” Looks Like

Having identified your own unique scenario-based sales conversations, you can now equip your reps to execute them effectively.

Show them exactly what good looks like in each type of conversation they’ll have.

Here are some points you’ll need to address:

What does a “good” discovery call look, feel, and sound like?

  • What questions do you ask?
  • What responses are you looking for?
  • Which are the highest leverage pain points to dig into?

How do you handle objections?

  • What are the key objections you’ll encounter on each type of call?
  • What does a “good” response look like in reality, not just on paper?

How do you run a solid demo?

  • What does a good demo look like?
  • How does the flow change for each buyer persona and at each stage of the sales cycle?
  • What messages must be delivered?
  • How do you transition from one key point to the next?

The best way to equip reps to understand what “good” looks like is by giving them a repository of call recordings to learn from.

Build a call recording library with a different folder for each type of call in your map:

Sales Call Library

Doing this gives your reps space to review these recordings on their terms and get a stronger sense of what “good” looks, feels, and sounds like.

This is especially critical in helping new hires ramp up fast.

Call shadowing is another option, but you’re rolling the dice and hoping they listen in on decent calls. It also doesn’t scale well.

(Quick “P.S.” Conversation intelligence technology is easily your best option for building an effective call library.)

Certify Your Sales Conversations

So many would-be sales leaders skip this step.

Once you and your reps understand what “good” looks like in every conversation during the sales cycle, the next job is to certify your sellers on their messages, call flow, and behaviors for each of those calls.

Certification is done in two parts:

  1. In a role play setting
  2. In a live fire setting

Role play involves a rep conducting a mock sales call to their manager and having the manager assess their performance against a predefined list of success criteria.

The live fire setting is similar, but the rep conducts a live call with a qualified prospect while the manager assesses their performance.

It’s best to review and score a recording of the call (see graphic below), but it can also be done via call shadowing in a live environment.

Sales Call Scorecard

Certification is a highly personalized issue and could make up an entire post in and of itself, so I’ll avoid going into more detail here.


You’ve now gotten through the bulk of implementing your revenue generation program.

Now you can switch to optimizing what you’ve implemented.

Do this in four steps:

  1. Assess
  2. Iterate
  3. Coach
  4. Repeat


First, you need insight into what’s going on.

Look at the processes you designed earlier and ask yourself what’s working and what’s not working?

Being able to answer these questions is why visibility into sales conversations is so critical.


Once you’ve assessed what’s working and what’s not, you need to incorporate those insights into your standardized process.

If your changes are sweeping, you may need to go back and recertify the team on the new process.

This is a frustrating but inevitable part of building a predictable sales machine.


Assessment is about evaluating the processes you designed.

Coaching focuses on evaluating each rep’s execution of those processes.

Again, coaching is an issue that goes far beyond the boundaries of this post.

For now, here are two takeaways:

  1. Understand where coaching fits within the larger process of your revenue generation engine (which this post has aimed to outline)
  2. Review your reps’ sales calls.

These two steps will put you in a league of your own when it comes to coaching effectiveness.

Even though coaching is only one element in the larger process, it’s the linchpin that makes it all work.

Leaving it out is like removing the foundation from a house of cards.


If only things were so simple and you only had to do this once. (Haven’t I said that once already?)

The best VPs of Sales continually optimize their teams and processes by assessing, iterating, and coaching over and over again.

Every now and then, even they have to take their teams back through steps like certification or re-architecting the sales process.

Some Parting Advice


That was a lot.

Even so, each of those distinct tasks rolls up into the two levers mentioned at the start of this article:

  1. More sales conversations
  2. Better sales conversations

And if there’s one thing that can help you move them forward, it’s this:

Show your reps what “good” looks like for each type of sales call they’ll encounter, and be sure they can execute it.

Those sales conversations are where your deals are won or lost.

Getting insight into what “good” looks like for each type of sales call can be a huge challenge, especially if you don’t have visibility into your team’s sales calls.

That said, there is a simple starting point for you.

The team at analyzed over 1M B2B sales call recordings. They used AI to understand what highly successful sales reps do differently from their peers.

One insight the team surfaced is that star reps talk about pricing late in their sales calls:

It’s stunning to see how much earlier average-performing reps mention pricing.

Star reps also have strikingly different talk-to-listen ratios during their discovery calls:

The Gong team has many more insights just like these.

All from one massive, data-driven analysis of 1M sales calls.

These insights serve as a great starting point to get your team on the right track in their sales conversations.

The rest of the insights are available in this new, free ebook:

Download it here: 9 Elements of Highly Effective Sales Conversations.

Send it to your reps.

It’s a great way to set what you’ve learned in motion.

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